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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To whom it may concern </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am new in this forum. Jakob Blond-Sorensen, CTO of Lean-On A/S Denmark </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Lean-On is a many year provider of an entire technology stack for optimized Citrix XenApp and Xendesktop use cases including high end Engineering remote desktop. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As part of the
<b>Lean-On Application Accelerator Platform ™</b> - we use Illumos as storage provider to the solution. 40G,extreme ZIL, 512+ Gbyte RAM and 40-60 VDEVS of Enterprise SAS SSD
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The combination of Xendesktop and Illumos has brought us many good use cases – and happy customers. We are using OmniOS for High End Enterprise customers. We
dispatch with just one single customer more data on a daily basis than a large Danish bank.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please see
<a href="https://www.citrixatleanon.dk/">https://www.citrixatleanon.dk/</a> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We have customers still using Nexenta and we have several customers using OmniOs. And we have a rather large Cloud platform in our datacenter based on OmniOS
as storage provider. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As such - We have a great setup working with HA, OmniOs and Napp-it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We are very sad to see Robert pulling the plug on OmniOs – and I had hoped that he instead had called for better backup rather than dropping the support </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">OmniOs is a great concept – and a great platform.. and it’s an anchor used by a lot of the other distris…
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Some of these has been kind of hanging on the back of OmniOS…. Nice but not fair !
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dan/Robert has been doing a super job over the years – so the real reason must be around funding for Dan & Co and an irritation of others just using rather
than participate financially or code wise. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But I am not in Roberts shoes. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yesterday I was approached by GEA from Napp-it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">He wanted to be sure that I was aware of the discussion… so he forwarded among others the link to the excel sheet for future funding of Illumos in some form
– OmniOs or a new fork. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It made me happy to see that several folks out there is seeking as we a way to continue the life of OmniOS. All of you – get your funding heart going ! </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">For me – the obvious way is to have Dan continuing the great work – that has been going on for the last years. But I am not in his shoes either…and If Dan
refuses to do so…who else will take on the job…. Suggestions ? </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I do not expect this to be a non paid for service. We need to create funding for the right people to secure the releases. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Have no doubt – we would like to see someone to take over the things that Peter Tribble refers to… so that this great OS can grow and become a continued solid
alternative to the proprietary stuff out there that we do not like. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The faster this process can be executed upon – the better. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Please feel free to contact me – I believe that if just Robert and a few others would throw some $ into the spreadsheet as well… we will see a funding fit for
a solid community where some folks are paid for taking care of QA and Packaging. It might even be that Robert would change his mind
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> - and keep the baby. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anyway. I have included a abstract of my mail to Gea of last night </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To GEA April 27 - 2017 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have just added the amount that we see doable for continued support – but would like to emphasize that if a strong support can be enabled – then we are
willing to increase our commitment. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We are backing up any initiative that will handle a continued package and license like the Current setup including handling and support like Dan/Dale has
been doing it for the last several years. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We paid last year 10K for licensed support/Illumos releases + 150-200 $ /hour for support in case we had trouble. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our budget for the coming year is 2-3K$ / month + support hours of which we do not use many of. I think we prepaid 10 hours last year – and used maybe
only 5 – the remaining unused 5 hours is lost. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have suggested Dan to continue the OmniOs distri like today or in any other form that you support as well. For me it is of importance that we have you
GEA backing us as well. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We expect that 2018- 2019 will raise the monthly amount to around 4-5K$ /month – maybe more if the setup looks promising.
</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We only use OmniOs for storage – nothing else. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our wishes are indeed limited ! </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Some upgrade on ISCSI and configuration support for MPIO NFS for XenServer. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well – only using OmniOS for Storage is somewhat a shame but that is where we are at the moment. We are truly XenServer people due to us being CITRIX people…
Windows App people with great skills in the CITRIX XenApp and XenDesktop world and Microsoft in general. !!
</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So for all sorts of purposes – yes we will back up a continued OmniOS/OI/GEA/Dan/iLLUMOS or what ever people wants to do… as long as you support it… and
that a ready to deploy package, QA is in place </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I really like what Dan has done – and I would like to stress that I would like to see him in the game going forward. But at the end of the day - any relative
secure setup is fine for us. </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We are not specialist in OmniOS – so the “only” thing we can bring into the discussion
<b>is funding</b>… limited but steady funding. Since we have no deep skills in ZFS – we rather pay the community for that service as long as our customers can get their ISCSI and NFS with the speed of ZIL and ARC/L2ARC.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> OmniOS-discuss [mailto:omnios-discuss-bounces@lists.omniti.com]
<b>På vegne af </b>Peter Tribble<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 27. april 2017 22:07<br>
<b>Til:</b> Robert Treat<br>
<b>Cc:</b> omnios-discuss<br>
<b>Emne:</b> [NEWSENDER] - Re: [OmniOS-discuss] The Future of OmniOS </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 12:21 AM, Robert Treat <<a href="mailto:robert@omniti.com">robert@omniti.com</a>> wrote: </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope the answer to the best safest place is OmniOS. To that end, we have no plans to stop running OmniOS at this time, and presuming the project can make the jump to community maintainership, we won't need to develop any.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">So, assuming such a jump were to happen, what are we talking about? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(My comments here, btw, are from me as an illumos community member<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Some items:<br>
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The OmniOS name/brand<br>
The website/wiki<br>
The illumos-omnios fork (the code)<br>
The github repos (the infrastructure)<br>
The pkg repo servers </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What happens to those? The real question here is whether they stay, </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">with community maintainership, or whether the "new" regime is an </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">independent fork? I would guess the latter to be the safest course. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That's assuming a world in which OmniOS-whatever remains as a separate </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">entity, rather than taking the view that you throw it away and replace it with </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a stable branch of some other distro. I'm not entirely convinced that would </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(a) actually work, and (b) not compromise the other distro. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So that gives you a newly forked project that maintains a distro based </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">on the current OmniOS code (preserving the effort that the likes of<br>
Dan have put in to get LX running), pulling in updates from illumos </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and the other upstreams, with the same sort of release cadence </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">and update approach (so you know you're going to get security updates)<br>
we have at the moment. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Ignoring the who and how for now, would that be what people actually want? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Or are people looking for a different future? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My personal (illumos/Tribblix) selfishness here is twofold; first, I want </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">to ensure we keep the current codebase as a going concern (as an<br>
unmaintained museum it's not interesting), and secondly an active<br>
project shows the health of the illumos ecosystem in a better light. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Peter Tribble<br>
<a href="http://www.petertribble.co.uk/">http://www.petertribble.co.uk/</a> - <a href="http://ptribble.blogspot.com/">
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